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FATCA and What it Practically means for your German Bank Relationship from the German Legal Perspective

This article is exclusively reaching out to Americans living in Germany. Americans living elsewhere outside the States might consider the results as applicable for them but not typically the argumentation. Non-Americans are not addressed.

This article wants to answer some questions on FATCA and the current activities of international German banks. To get background information on FATCA please visit the blog of the not-for-profit organization American Citizens Abroad by clicking this sentence. Recently Americans have received a brush off from their German banks. This article will discuss if that should be and what are the consequences of it.

My bank requested that I transfer my funds to another bank because they do not want to deal with IRS formalities. I am reluctant to do so! May the bank give notice on the contract?

Generally banks may not demand that you shift your deposits or save money in this or that way. The bank is typically obliged to provide its financial strategy and to pursue this strategy. When you then close a contract to invest in that fund or open such savings account, your bank has the obligation to provide you with it. Normally only when you agree can you be expected to switch. However, the STCs of banks usually have a clause that they have the right to give ordinarily notice to any and all accounts.
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Grand! My bank gave notice on my account and depot. Now what? Can I not demand that they not end their "engagement" with me?

Sorry but you have no right to demand whether the bank ends the contractual relationship with you. These STCs are generally valid and the bank without having or giving a special reason may give notice on partial or complete engagement. What may not happen though is that you have to do it overnight. The bank is required to consider your interests also. Therefore, they will generously give you time to switch.

How long is this "generous time"?

This can actually be only answered in the individual case because it depends in how much business you are doing with the bank. The more business interaction between you and your bank, the more time you are to receive. You are to be allowed so much time for you to reasonably quickly process the switch. When you have trouble switching, then you will have to actively show your efforts to your current bank so that they still keep your account.
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Since they can cancel, what are "my interests" in this situation that the bank wants to close the account?

Due to the bank's obligation, they have to reasonably prevent damages like recognition of losses, tax disadvantages.
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An American wants to open an account in Germany but the bank refuses because he is an American.

Disregarding whatever real excuse the bank has to deny you an account, you have no right to force a bank to open you an account. Privately held banks have no obligation to contract with you. Public savings banks (Sparkassen) in several federal states have an obligation to contract with you. These are

  • Bavaria (§5 II SpkO - Bavaria),
  • Brandenburg (§5 SpkVO - Brandenburg),
  • Northrhine-Westfalia (§5 II SpkVO - Northrhine-Westfalia,
    and
  • Saxony-Anhalt (§5 SpkVO - Saxony-Anhalt).

 

If I correctly remember, nobody is supposed to be disadvantaged by one's origins in Germany. So, isn't this action of a bank, i.e. turning down an American just because she is an American, something illegal because it is disadvantageous?

Yes, this sounds like an infringement of antidiscrimination rules. This will be very complicated to prove because most companies have become very sensitive to personal denials. When "bank services" can be understood as "bulk business" then denying you such business because you are an American infringes §19 AGG.
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Do bank services qualify as "bulk services"?

This is to be answered with a clear "yes" and a clear "no". It depends on what service was rendered and if an identity played a significant role. This will always be the case when opening an account without any credit function. The opposite, i.e. absolutely personal service, will be making saving strategies come about. Any bank product that is to meet your very personal needs does not qualify as a bank service. As of now, there is no precedent to determine whether or not small loans to (American) consumers (often advertised as "spring loan or similar") or other non-individual loans still qualify as a bulk service. In such cases, typically no personal consultation is needed or offered - sort of like a loan over the counter. When you, as an American, are refused such loan or an account because you are an American then that is illegal.
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I'm a dual citizen of the U.S. and Germany. When I applied to open my account, I only disclosed my German citizenship. Is that a problem?

Seen from the German legal perspective, you acted correctly. Pursuant to §5 I 2 EGBGB, persons also having the German citizenship, will be considered as Germans. In other words, there is nothing for you to do. Besides, banks only have the possibility for one entry on "citizenship". When you have identified yourself as a German (disregarding any other citizenships you have), they will ask no further.
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Interesting what you just mentioned, though I am a dual citizen of America and another country but not Germany. How does that effect me?

German law could not care less, which foreign citizenship you have. It is hardly relevant in this discussion.
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Heck, when I first got to Germany I only had American citizenship and now I have dual. I was informed by my bank that they want to cancel my contract because they do not want to meddle with the IRS. Can I legally work around this issue, that I "re-identify" myself as a citizen of another country?

Seen purely from the legal side, the bank has to have a clear understanding of your identity! There is no way around that detail. However, when you can prove that you also have a passport of another country and disclose this to your bank consultant, he may legally switch your entry to this other citizenship. LG2G has no experience whether banks are technically able to retroactively change the database entry "citizenship" from one country to another.
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Gee, after reading all this, I do believe that I was illegally discriminated. What are my rights?

You have the right to be reimbursed for damages and if this discrimination will last into the future then also its forbearance (§21 AGG). Typical damages will be the reduced interest you will now be receiving or the costs for opening a new depot or account.
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N.B. Just switching your citizenships at your German bank does not exempt you from disclosing your foreign bank accounts to the Department of Treasury or from submitting a tax return to the Internal Revenue Service! The only legal result from switching your citizenships with your bank is that you do might not have to shift your investment "because of" your American citizenship.


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This article has been written by request of ACA – American Citizens Abroad and in the function as their Country Contact for Berlin, Germany

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Money and Payment in Germany

"Money makes the world go around, the world go around..." Wasn't it that what Liza Minelli once sung? The same is true in Germany. However, Germans have their special customs on paying. This page will introduce you to the most important traits.

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Paying with PayPal

When paying with PayPal is there anything special to consider?

Read the fine print on the PayPal website carefully, even if they are needed do the clicks and read the dozens of pages! Only when you know all the details will you really be able meet them, PayPal promises protection but only transactions via eBay Germany, Austria and Switzerland will be covered. When purchasing outside of these countries there will be no protection even if the merchandise has been paid for via PayPal.
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Paying with paypal

What are special conditions when receiving the purchased goods?

The goods must be forwarded by a parcel service. Personal pick-ups or other shipping methods are taboo. The trade in cars and electronically sent data (text, music, etc.) are generally not protected. Be always aware that PayPal only promises protective services as a matter of goodwill; you can never successfully seek legal recourse.
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Hints for Buyers

What am I to do when I get an empty parcel or the items are defect?

When a package arrives empty or a wrong resp. a defective product is delivered, it has to be witnessed. A person must confirm this in writing and must available for questions from PayPal. This requirement will also come in handy, when you should go to court afterwards - for whatever reason. Therefore, never open a package alone! Have defects in the product confirmed by a retailer in writing. Yes, you will have to first cover these extra costs yourself. When buying from a commercial dealer, it is generally easier to return the goods in accordance with statutory rules on warranty and guarantee than to make use of the PayPal buyer protection.
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Great, I ordered a bunch of stuff and didn't arrive during the normally expected time. After making use of the PayPal protection, the parcel did finally come. The stupid vendor had transposed my house numbers. After my buddy and I opened the package, we found out that everything is only junk! I was screwed twice! Everything is broken. Now I'm gonna demand my money back.

Good idea but it will not work. Only one(!) request for buyer protection per transaction is possible. Never apply for it too early for goods not (yet) delivered. When a little later the defective product arrives, the reason of complaint will be decided against you and the second complaint (because of faulty goods) will be definitely excluded.
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Tips for Sellers

When finishing the package, I noticed that the buyer has provided a different address on eBay than registered with PayPal. Which address am I to use?

The shipping method must provide proof that the goods actually arrived (registered letter or parcel shipping with Internet tracking). The goods must be delivered to the address of the customer as registered with PayPal. When the buyer provided a different address on eBay, this one must be ignored. To avoid probable complaints best contact the buyer and inform them on this and get clarification. It is not your job to instruct the buyer on PayPal rights and duties but to make sure that they really receives the purchased goods.
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Arrggh! I just noticed that the money I received was now debited out of my PayPal account. Even though I kindly asked, they refused. I threatened them with my lawyer and they did not respond. Grr. Do I have any chance to sue PayPal to find out why they reimbursed the buyer?

Forget suing PayPal! Whether the buyer is entitled to refunding or not will be decided not by you but by PayPal and the credit card company or the bank. The seller receives no information from PayPal, as to why such a subsequent cancellation of the credit card payment was entitled. A direct credit card transaction or a direct debit, i.e. not via PayPal, offers much more security. However, eBay does not allow either.
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P-Account

If you want or need an account that is safe from your creditor, then what you need is a "P-Konto". Read more to a Pfändungsschutzkonto below!

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